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hello demiurge. Here is the problem. You insulted Ataturk.And you did it without even bothering to check the guy out. Make a distinction between the ottoman empire and the new Turkey under Ataturk. I have seen Croats and Serbs insulting turks based on atrocities done by the Ottoman Empire. That does not make sense. It is true that the OTTOMAN Empire did a lot of rape and pillage in the balkans(my country Romania suffered from these things just as much as Croatia and Serbia),also true that the OTTOMAN empire is responsible for the Armenian Genocide,Greek Genocide and Assyrian Genocide. However all these things came to an end because of Ataturk.He held trials and punished a lot of people who were responsible for genocide.HE DID THAT. He also deposed the Sultans and disbanded the post of caliph. He turned Turkey into a paradise.And believe me when i say that before Ataturk,Turkey was a hellhole. I m sure you traveled to Turkey on holidays and you enjoyed your stay there. ALL THAT IS BECAUSE OF ATATURK.The man you insulted. I don t think that TURKS mind if you Insult the SULTANS or that idiot Erdogan. I insulted Erdogan in their newspapers and they did not mind.In fact,they agreed with me. But Ataturk is a different thing. It s not right to insult a man who brought modern civilization to a country that otherwise would look like Saudi Arabia or SOmalia or Afganistan.And by the way, Erdogan Wants to revive the OTTOMAN EMPIRE.. That being said,it is understandable why turks would be upset if you insult a guy who only did good things.

@oarecare - You might be right, I don t know Turkish history and honestly, care not to. But that s completely beside the point, I didn t address any particular case beyond the point of an example. I m just addressing the behavioral phenomenon which is hypocritical. As I said in an interview, that you might had the chance to read, I fell that anything can and should be a valid topic for ridicule - be it true, metaphorical or completely unrelated to the actual topic.

I do not want respect and i will respect no one that will be my target.

I tend to disagree with your final remark demiurge. Not anything can be subject to ridicule.Especially if it is a good man. Hitler types,Stalin Types, yes...Go ahead and ridicule.But if you insult good people, chances are that there is going to be a backlash.

Chu..😪

Oarecare i think armenians greeks and other minorities would disagree strongly on you *good man* statement. While for some people was good the same action made him bad for others. It s all a matter of point of view. Nkt only for Kemal but for each and every individual.

Btw, @oarecare you talk like you are witness of so-called genocide, either you must be invented time machine or over 100 years old.

Do not even try to ridicule Hitler or German community will leave game

when we enter serbian discord channel? AFTER your insult. its cause and effect, if u dont wanna get insulted, do not insult.

@ktabThose genocides were carried out by muslim extremists ottomans ktab. Enver,talat and djemal were the three pashas that did the killing. They gave the orders for the sistematic murder of armenians. However,if you mean about the 1922 Smyrna Fire, well, that would never have occured if Greece had not invaded Turkish mainland.

That s the thing about consistency. What ktab said, point of view is often open for debate. And what I address with this article is above that - if you ridicule one s point of view you must accept yours to be ridiculed as well. Ofc, the supposed fact backing each one are always up to debate.

@hokage. I read those eye witness reports written by turkish sourcesamong other. All put the blame on the Talat,Djemal and Enver.And those were adversaries of Mustafa Kemal. So if you have a problem with your own sources,then that is your problem,not mine.

Completely Agree

@demiurge. if you ridicule one s point of view you must accept yours to be ridiculed as well. Agree. But if you ridicule without proof,you must also be prepared to receive complaints.

@Imperius - Cause and effect can only be applied in a closed circle of two acts. Which this isn t. You can t justify your wrong doing with a childish remark - you started it first. I mean you can, but it really doesn t do anything but brand you with a false image of alleged victim. As far as I m concerned, I hardly register any insult (if I only saved the PMs from Turkish citizens)..ultimately, you can only be offended if you allow yourself to fell that way. If you raise above that, it s just dust in the wind.

@oarecare, Come here anytime, i m living in Ankara, and time to time i m going to, State History Archive, There are plenty of documents from Ottoman, I can make you read REAL history. So, if you lack of information, dont try to teach some. Please.

@demiurge. if you ridicule one s point of view you must accept yours to be ridiculed as well. Agree. But if you ridicule without proof,you must also be prepared to receive complaints.

I don t believe in insults actually. I think everything using just words (except clear threats to life) should be free all the time.

@oarecare - Yep, that also implies, if we go with your thesis that ridicule requires proof.

expressing opinion is another story. you can create an article and make statements about ataturk s actions in the past. you can comment on those, that s not a problem. you can also argue over (possible) massacre in Kosovo/Armenia/North America etc. As long as you really put a statement and support it somehow, it is fine. But putting ataturk in santa claus- hat and beard is not an opinion. Putting a rainbow flag in the background of ataturk photo is not an opinion. Writing Ataturd, Atakurd or other childish stuff in global chat, has definitely nothing to do with sharing an opinion. And as Imperius said, what turks did was a reaction to your acts. It was not a right reaction, i have to admit, but you were the one igniting the fire.

@hokage. Let s not forget that your current president is a guy that seeks to destroy all of ataturk s legacy.Ankara is his powerbase.And Erdogan has by now probably destroyed the evidence that link the Ottoman empire to the genocides mentioned above. However,that is beside the point.The point is that Modern Turkey and Ottoman period should not be mixed and that Mustafa Kemal is not guilty of anything.

@Imperius because one man insult you, you insulted 3 nations...

Again, I never said that I want to share insights or opinions there. The topic of my paper or if you d like, my alter ego here, is mostly satire and ridicule. It s not always backed by facts and it shouldn t - that s not the point. I used satire the way I wanted and for the purpose I chose and ultimately, accepted the consequences for it. You may call me toxic or any other way you like, but that s how I roll.

@oarecare, Problems according to my current President are my interval problems, and What do you expect from word of Modern i dont know but, Modernity is already here according to our culture,so next time try to seperate your culture s modernity and my culture s modernity, and nothing has been demolished YET. Moreover, Legacy of Atatürk is dynamics of this country, nothing and no one would destroy it.

that s how you troll

Precisely! Hundred points goes to A4TechTR. That s the long-story-short, but some people needed a 5-yo drawing like image to understand.

@hokage and all turks that might comment. Look guys. The Ottoman Empire is not a saint.There is no point in getting upset at somebody for pointing the fact that before first world war there were a lot of greeks,armenians, assyryans in Turkey,and after there were way fewer. But the thing that i want to make a point is that you are not responsible for what some stupid sultan and some stupid pashas did. You are the legacy of Ataturk(at least you should be) and therefore things like that should not bother you.It s not your fault.Recently, a polish guy complained to me that Stephen the Great (a ruler in Moldova in the 16Th century)did some atrocities in Poland. I told him UDE that was like a very long time ago. Modern Romanians have nothing to do with that guy.Romania only became a country in 1877.Not my problem and not my fault what Stephen the Great did.

@hokage. here is what ataturk said :He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth, and the teachings of science.” So tell me. Is Erdogan like Ataturk?I don t think so.

@Oarecare, Excuse me but, who do you think you are that can call stupid to my Ancestors ? This conversation has ended from my side.

We are not responsible for Moderdn Turkey/Romania/Poland/Serbia, or whatever it happens to be, as well guys. We are only responsible for ourselves only. Don t ever generalize things.

Don t be offended with something your ancestors, brothers, presidents or your children did. You must only be responsible for the things you did only.

@a4TechTR. My point exactly. People should not feel guilty about the bad things their ancestors did. It was their ancestors,not them.

@hokage. I saw your latest comment. I did not mean stupid in that sense. I meant that it was irrelevant. Sorry for my bad choice of words. I meant that you are not to be blamed for something that your ancestors did.

Torks, this isnt the middle ages, and you arent able to force european countries to respect your former tribeleader Atakurd. Stop crying.

esenin.middle ages and ataturk do not mix. Just like stefan dusan the mighty and modernity don t mix. If anything, we should be thanking Ataturk for destroying the Ottoman empire and lifting the turkish people from the middle ages not insulting him.

nista ne bih ni oduzeo niti dodao... o/

Modern day turkey is a middle age level civilization if you can even use the word civilization there.

who is Ataturk i dont care