Objavljen v United States of America - Politične debate in analize - 23 Jun 2017 08:23 - 28
The following written in italic is a rough translation of Kinyas' recent article regarding Bulgaria and USA's leaving of Vae Victis and what should Turkey do after that. The original article can be found here. I have found it worthwhile of translating:
New Era in the Game, New Relations, New Strategies
Hello,
As you all know, Bulgaria and USA left the VV alliance, and have formed a new alliance of their own. This was predicted about 3 months ago, as our member countries continued with the same strategies after the implementation of 2 RW rule. None of the member countries wanted to make any sacrifices, each country focused on protecting their bonuses, and some member countries had to defend their own core regions while others were wasting up to 6 billion damage in RWs. As a result, Indonesia and Taiwan were the first to leave VV, yet this was not enough for us to learn from that, and unfortunately we continued in the same path. Although we are angry at Bulgaria for leaving, we acknowledge that they are a strong country, they did billions of damage for their allies, yet they had to defend their cores and didn't have any bonuses. Therefore we can understand their decision of leaving. However, what USA did was outright treachery, running away at the first sign of trouble.
Now lets talk about what happens next. Currently, VV has the 35% of total firepower, while the other block holds the remaining 65%. Lets ume that half of this 35% goes to defending bonuses for Romania, Turkey, Iran and Georgia. With the remaining damage at hand, there will be no way to protect the bonuses in case of an attack. Moreover, seeing Bulgaria and USA leaving will leave other countries guessing as well. Therefore it is very important that we adapt quickly to changing conditions. Since the implementation of 2 RW rule, we pointed out that we will go down one by one if we dont do so.
Now, the big countries in the alliance, Iran, Turkey, Georgia and Romania, need to make a decision. Will we continue to try to protect our bonuses and end up trying to defend our cores 1 month later, or will we look at the bigger picture and realize that we no longer dominate the game? Right now as this article is being written, other countries are on the verge of making such a decision. As Turkey we need to make a decision as well. As I was away from Turkey for months, I dont see in myself the right to meddle in these affairs, but I'd like to state, as a person that has been in these matters over a year, what will happen if we insist on protecting the current state. As I am writing this article, I am also running a campaign to convince the other countries, so that VV does not have another country leaving.
To summarize, will we make sacrifices in the name of adaptation, or will we face the consequences of insisting on things? Whatever the decision, we will face the consequences as a whole, until we deplete our stocks to the last drop. Personally I think that it would be interesting if we stopped fighting in Israel RWs, and started to play this game for fun. Whatever the decision we stand strong, because as Turkey unlike other countries, we were never a country to run at the first sign of trouble.
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The remainder of this article serves as a response to the original article, because I have to make a statement as a USA citizen who thinks this article is all kinds of wrong.
USA is not running away at first sign of trouble as said in the article. USA was in a pretty bad shape before SOA, OFC and Komando MUs arrived, we didnt have any bonuses, our monetary market was unstable and we were fighting to defend our capital. We have seen very hard times as USA, and thanks to our brothers in these 3 MUs, we thrived. We have acquired two 100% bonuses, and we even started attacking other countries. Our monetary market became stable and currently we are doing much better than we did in the past. America is living one of its golden ages right now considering the bad shape we had in the past. So, Kinyas' claim of running away at first sign of trouble is wrong. We are not leaving because of trouble, we are leaving because we know we can do better without Vae Victis. USA never was a traitor to VV. We always gave support to VV countries so you could defend your bonuses. After all this fighting we did so you could produce double in your own countries, you are calling us traitors. You are claiming so because you dont like USA leaving. You are claiming so, because you claimed the same with all the other countries leaving. You are claiming so, because Vae Victis needs to step on small countries so they can protect their bonuses.
Personal note to anyone who cares, I will not be picking any sides in this s**tstorm. I have friends in both countries, and I will move to an irrelevant country should the need arises. I dont want to oppose any of my friends for this stupid political stuff. I wish USA and Turkey the best in their future endeavors.
New Era in the Game, New Relations, New Strategies
Hello,
As you all know, Bulgaria and USA left the VV alliance, and have formed a new alliance of their own. This was predicted about 3 months ago, as our member countries continued with the same strategies after the implementation of 2 RW rule. None of the member countries wanted to make any sacrifices, each country focused on protecting their bonuses, and some member countries had to defend their own core regions while others were wasting up to 6 billion damage in RWs. As a result, Indonesia and Taiwan were the first to leave VV, yet this was not enough for us to learn from that, and unfortunately we continued in the same path. Although we are angry at Bulgaria for leaving, we acknowledge that they are a strong country, they did billions of damage for their allies, yet they had to defend their cores and didn't have any bonuses. Therefore we can understand their decision of leaving. However, what USA did was outright treachery, running away at the first sign of trouble.
Now lets talk about what happens next. Currently, VV has the 35% of total firepower, while the other block holds the remaining 65%. Lets ume that half of this 35% goes to defending bonuses for Romania, Turkey, Iran and Georgia. With the remaining damage at hand, there will be no way to protect the bonuses in case of an attack. Moreover, seeing Bulgaria and USA leaving will leave other countries guessing as well. Therefore it is very important that we adapt quickly to changing conditions. Since the implementation of 2 RW rule, we pointed out that we will go down one by one if we dont do so.
Now, the big countries in the alliance, Iran, Turkey, Georgia and Romania, need to make a decision. Will we continue to try to protect our bonuses and end up trying to defend our cores 1 month later, or will we look at the bigger picture and realize that we no longer dominate the game? Right now as this article is being written, other countries are on the verge of making such a decision. As Turkey we need to make a decision as well. As I was away from Turkey for months, I dont see in myself the right to meddle in these affairs, but I'd like to state, as a person that has been in these matters over a year, what will happen if we insist on protecting the current state. As I am writing this article, I am also running a campaign to convince the other countries, so that VV does not have another country leaving.
To summarize, will we make sacrifices in the name of adaptation, or will we face the consequences of insisting on things? Whatever the decision, we will face the consequences as a whole, until we deplete our stocks to the last drop. Personally I think that it would be interesting if we stopped fighting in Israel RWs, and started to play this game for fun. Whatever the decision we stand strong, because as Turkey unlike other countries, we were never a country to run at the first sign of trouble.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The remainder of this article serves as a response to the original article, because I have to make a statement as a USA citizen who thinks this article is all kinds of wrong.
USA is not running away at first sign of trouble as said in the article. USA was in a pretty bad shape before SOA, OFC and Komando MUs arrived, we didnt have any bonuses, our monetary market was unstable and we were fighting to defend our capital. We have seen very hard times as USA, and thanks to our brothers in these 3 MUs, we thrived. We have acquired two 100% bonuses, and we even started attacking other countries. Our monetary market became stable and currently we are doing much better than we did in the past. America is living one of its golden ages right now considering the bad shape we had in the past. So, Kinyas' claim of running away at first sign of trouble is wrong. We are not leaving because of trouble, we are leaving because we know we can do better without Vae Victis. USA never was a traitor to VV. We always gave support to VV countries so you could defend your bonuses. After all this fighting we did so you could produce double in your own countries, you are calling us traitors. You are claiming so because you dont like USA leaving. You are claiming so, because you claimed the same with all the other countries leaving. You are claiming so, because Vae Victis needs to step on small countries so they can protect their bonuses.
Personal note to anyone who cares, I will not be picking any sides in this s**tstorm. I have friends in both countries, and I will move to an irrelevant country should the need arises. I dont want to oppose any of my friends for this stupid political stuff. I wish USA and Turkey the best in their future endeavors.
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Pathetic attention wh*re. http://prntscr.com/fnbz93
thanks for translation.
So they consider anyone outside of their alliance their enemies? Out of the damage that can be considered opposing to each other the damage difference would be more like 45% vs 55%, but the larger percentage has more than 2ble the number of countries to organize and keep egos in check. It would be interesting how long they would last being on the lower damage side the other countries have been and maintained on the map for so long
You were the first to make it an argument instead of a debate, Kinyas. You told me yourself to write an article, and now you accuse me of attention w**ring?
You didnt have the balls to share that SS when I asked for it, and now you are sharing it because I posted a translation? lt is obvious whos pathetic.
haha, the imperial era comes to the end finally.
And no kinyas, you cant change their mind, they need suffer to put the foots on the ground.
You are traitor!!! As you said when use had 10-15 normal soldiers only you were one of the weakest members in vv... I will remind what has happened when serbia BIH attacked you... Vv could do better without you( and i regret now that we didnot left you) but we for 20 people, for friendship decided to face strongest country in erev + BIH, burnt our stocks fighting against ds for you cores... Vv gave you everything... And you without a word ran in new alliance, who is willing to destroy vv, with serbia from whom vv protected you... Of course you can call it whatever you want but in normal world we, call this action betrayal!!!
Ben tartışmaları daha şimdi gördüm online olup hemen paylaştım ssi. Sende de gram adamlık varsa söz verdiğin gibi tükürdüğünü yalar özür dilersin. Herkes senin gibi boş adam değil 24 saat boyunca online olup anında cevap verecek.
I hope that Kinyas have approval of players , since he posted pic from discord
Well guys we are playing a game, I made bilions of dmg for vv, now for the sake of erev and for the fun of our soldiers we will fight against empires, I really don t like to be insulted and I can promise more lks spent against who call us traitors... have fun a little plz
The argument that current US government is a traitor to VV is ridiculous. 40% of VV *lived* in USA until a couple of days ago. It should be no surprise that once half of them leave, USA leaves VV. USA didn t leave VV - VV left USA.
The argument that current US government is a traitor to VV is ridiculous. 40% of VV *lived* in USA until a couple of days ago. It should be no surprise that once half of them leave, USA leaves VV. USA didn t leave VV - VV left USA.
Correction Kinyas: Am fine with some of the turks but your not on the goody goody list the first you did when you came to USA is try to run for president 
http://prntscr.com/fngaw1 Hey mate, are you stupid or something Turkey refused to help the USA against Serbia through the entirety of the campaign. 2) VV kept insisting on signing a peace treaty with Serbs when Serbia wasn t interested we were stuck in a ping pong war with the strongest country in the game for weeks at time Serbia had no allies while we in the strongest alliance in the game. We had to resort to hiring mercs (OFC) and getting assistance from allies MUs like Green Berets so we can survive one more day waiting for HELP THAT WASN T GONNA COMING. VV was chasing after bonuses while we were trying to stay on the map don t give me that BULLSHIT homeboy I was the CP at the time. When the war ended Kinyas told me to my face I BEGGED him to help USA lol : ) Did I really need to beg? We ve been allies with Turkey and the countries in VV for so long did I really need to beg you guys to spare some damage for us after all we did for the fucking alliance. Maybe you haven t noticed it Kinyas but everyone you ve worked with you ve eithered fucked them over couple of times or they left you.
Regarding the Brazilians barrier between language was really a detriment to our relationship now that we have a common goal we can start communicating more effectively 
1.am not stupid, please save this word for yourself 2. Did i mention turkey somewhere? Or you became blind after leaving the game? I said about alliance...I dont know whom you begged and who refused to help but i am 100% sure the fact that you didnot get wipe then its all thanks to alliance... Georgia DW -ed serbia and fought against ds-s in your cores, albania DW-ed BIH, iran helped you , green berets mu even traveled in usa + almost every vv country had been rushing in you battles at the end... But you dont want to admit it, you split on it... Nothing to say more, advise for you, buy some pills to boost your mind, or it seems you forgetting some facts....
LOL
Albania DW-ed BiH at the time they didn t even border each other
Green Berets traveled to the USA and we provided them helis and full cost to help us
Yes Georgia DW-ed Serbia but that happened long after Serbia was sufficiently drained and Georgian Tankers filled my PM asking me to send them gold or large quantity of Helis if they want me to hit for USA when I myself already had to a long list of expenses even then I still comply to their request so don t give me that BS of your fighting against DS-s in my cores we PAID YOU GUYS TO HELP DEFEND US EVENTHOUGH WE WERE FUCKING ALLIES HAHAHAHAHA
Ace how did u survive from Serbian and BiH attacks if alliance didn t help. If you want to say that Turkey didn t help you its ok, but don t say that VV wasn t there for you. Those are excuses to make people approve your betrayal just to reach full bonuses. You weren t here and those guys who ptoed your country are simply betrayed VV like they did to native US citizens, weren t you mad them about it, what changed?
This is ridiculous. Kinyas has proof that Ace is a traitor to VV, and he doesnt have such a big thing ready in his hand? He waits for his protegé to go online and post it? If this is fake, it is hilarious. But even more hilarious if this is genuine; like we would openly speak to everyone about our plans to betray and destroy VV if we had such a thing, especially to someone Turkish. Look at you Imperius, playing James Bond with your pathetic English skills; as if you could piece together two words to form a sentence, you re thinking you outwitted a native English speaker. Even more pathetic is that you think you can play spy by just calling someone . If that stuff was genuine, your Kinyas would have posted it months ago and he would enjoy reposting it a thousand times over.
So lets say if tomorrow turkey leaves VV Krynias will start making articles everywhere calling Turkey sad pathetic traitors like he already did with Indo, Taiwan, Bulgaria, USA hahaha. So for him whoever does not support his -Bonuses over everything- policy is just a traitor lel. Poor guy, cant wait for that day to happen ;x . Turkey and georgia got used go have 100% bonuses, to wipe, force naps and farm the game for more than 1 year already that they forgot how is it to be the underdog and to actually have fun playing without getting your mouth dirty each day on chats 
If you would announce your leaving sooner my friend , then stay out for 2 or 3 weeks and after that you form alliance with countries you want , that would be reasonable and no one would call you traitor ; But in one night you announced , you leaved , you form alliances with direct enemy ...
It s like the Christian Church before Reniassance. Do what they want or they excommunicate you and you are declared a traitor.
Good Luck
I still don`t know why the f*ck you guys care if the others call you traitors because you get tired of being bait while they keep their bonuses for year and a half and get rich beyond imagination.
Hail traitors
First he says VV countries focused all their damage on defending bonuses and then he says the only country without bonuses who was in VV is a traitor, although USA hit hard for their allies while others were securing their RWs.
Ah c est con ça